(CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND DISABILITIES) >> HELLO, EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE WEB CONFERENCE. WE ARE GOING TO START SHORTLY. I HAVE TO DO A SLIGHT TECHNICAL THINGS. >> HELLO. I AM GOING TO MUTE THE LINES. HELLO, EVERYONE THIS IS LEONA FROM CALCASA AND WELCOME YOU ALL TO THE WEB CONFERENCE. IF I HAVE THE PRESENTERS UNMUTE THEIR LINES BY PRESSING STAR 6. KEITH, YOU ARE ON WITH ME. >> THIS IS CORDELIA. >> THIS IS SANDRA. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> I GOT A SANDRA. I GOT JOAN AND MEG? >> THIS IS MEG. >> I CAN HEAR YOU. AND I AM JUST MAKING SURE, OKAY, SO WE ARE GOOD TO GO. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND TO LAST WEB CONFERENCE IN THE ENDING CHILD SEX ABUSE SERIES WITH MS. FOUNDATION. >> WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAYING THEY ARE NOT HEARING ANYTHING. DO THEY HAVE TO DIAL IN? >> DIAL IN. THE INTERNET AUDIO HAS NOT CONNECTED. THEY ARE HAVING CAPTIONS AND NO SOUND. GIVE ME A SECOND. LET ME SEE. IT IS CONNECTING TO AUDIO. IF FOLKS CAN -- I'M GOING TO PRESS THE BUTTON, CONNECT. I HOPE THIS RESOLVES THE ISSUE. >> EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HEARING NOW? >> SHOULD BE. I'M WAITING FOR THE SYSTEM. WE SHALL SEE. IT IS CONNECTING NOW. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. AS I ALWAYS JOKE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT A PERFECT SCIENCE. WE HOPE IT RESOLVES ITSELF SHORTLY. >> IF YOU CAN -- IF ANYONE CAN RESOLVE THIS IT IS YOU. >> THE SYSTEM IS TRYING TO CONNECT. I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE TEXT BOX. >> DAVID PUT IN THE DIAL-IN INFORMATION FOR THE PEOPLE. THEY HAVE HAD THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES. >> SO WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. I'M TRYING TO CONNECT. IT IS NOT SEEMING TO CONNECT. THIS IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN PREVENTCONNECT AND MS. FOUNDATION AND USING THE TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS ALWAYS A FUN THING ON OUR END. YOU WILL NOTICE THERE IS A TEXT CHAT BOX AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING THAT. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS THE WAY IN WHICH WE CONNECT PREDOMINANTLY WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE THE LINES ARE MUTED. IF YOU ARE HAVING, I NOTICE, YES THE INTERNET IS NOT WORKING. PLEASE CALL INTO THAT NUMBER. THIS AS I SAID IT IS THE SECOND TO LAST. THE FINAL WEB CONFERENCE IS MARCH 13TH AND TELLING THE STORIES AND LEARNING AS WE BUILD A MOVEMENT. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO THE SERIES HOSTS, JOAN AND CORDELIA. >> GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, LEONA, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PATIENCE TODAY. I'M JOAN TABACHNICK AND THRILLED TO CO-HOST THE SERIES WITH CORDELIA AND THE CENTER AND WE HAVE HAD OVER 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS PREVENTION CONSULTANTS. WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER ON SO MANY ISSUES AND THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW FOCUS AND LOOKING AT CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND DISABILITIES. HOW MANY HAVE ATTENDED ONE OF THOSE CONFERENCES AND THAT IS HOSTED BY THE MS. FOUNDATION FOR WOMEN AND BY PREVENTCONNECT. IF YOU CAN ANSWER YES OR NO, WE CAN GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE. I WANT TO SAY WHILE I AM WAITING, WE HAVE 57% OF NEVER ATTENDED ONE AND 38% HAVE ATTENDED ONE. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW FOLKS ON THE LINE HERE AND I'M VERY, VERY THRILLED TO SEE THAT. >> WE HAVE PEOPLE HAVING TROUBLES HEARING YOU AND DEALING WITH A SOUND SYSTEM. JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS THAT BETTER? >> THERE IS ECHOING AND FEEDBACK. >> ALSO JUST TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION WE LIKE TO ASK YOU, WHICH IS GIVEN THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE AUDIENCES ARE, IS THE WORK PRIMARILY WITH SEXUAL LICENSE OR PREVENTION WORK OR DISABILITY SERVICES OR BOTH SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND ABUSE AND DISABILITIES OR OTHER, IF OTHER, TYPE THAT IN AND WE'LL GET A SENSE OF WHAT THAT IS. I WANT TO SAY WE HAVE HAD 200 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST TODAY. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. WE SEEM TO BE EVEN OUT ON THE PERCENTAGES THERE. HALF OF THE PEOPLE -- THEN WE HAVE 25% OTHER. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE CHAT THERE. THE OTHERS ARE SPLIT 11-14 PERCENT. IN TERMS OF OTHER, ADVOCATES ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND BROAD, THERE IS A LOT OF WONDERFUL EXPERIENCES HERE AND WE HOPE YOU WILL SHARE SOME OF THAT WITH US TODAY. >> OUR LEARNING OBJECTIVE, THIS IS PART OF A SERIES, AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OBJECTIVES WITH EACH OF THE WEB CONFERENCES AND ALL UNDER THE HEADING OF ENDING CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND THIS ONE REALLY IS TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF DISABILITIES THAT THEY BE. UNDERSTANDING THE RISKS AND BARRIERS TO IMPLEMENTING THE POLICIES TO ENHANCE SAFETY WITHIN ORGANIZATIONS AND AS ALWAYS, WHAT WE WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT LISTENING TO THIS, ACTIONS YOU CAN TAKE TO ENSURE THAT A CHILD IS SAFE. LOOKING AT APPLICATIONS AND SHARING YOUR INFORMATION AND IDEAS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS ON THE CHAT LINE. >> THANK YOU. I'M REALLY, REALLY THRILLED TO HAVE THREE WONDERFUL SPEAKERS WITH US TODAY. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO EACH OF THEM. THE INTRODUCTIONS ARE NEVER ENOUGH. SO EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF IMPACT BOSTON. IT IS A TRAINING ORGANIZATION. AND HE SERVES AS A PROJECT DIRECTOR ABUSE PREVENTION PROGRAM FOCUSSED ON PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. >> EXCUSE, PEOPLE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND YOU ARE HARD TO UNDERSTAND. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> THIS IS ACTUALLY LEONA, I THINK THAT THE ISSUE MAYBE YOUR PHONE IS TOO CLOSE TO THE MOUTH, SO MAYBE A HAPPY MEDIUM OF PROJECTING BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE PHONE CLOSE TO YOUR MOUTH. >> OKAY. TRYING THIS. HOW IS THIS? >> THAT SOUNDS BETTER. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. WE'LL TRY THIS. SO I HOPE SOME PEOPLE HEARD THE PART OF MEG. NOW TO KEITH JONES, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE SOULTOUCHING EXPERIENCES AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN ACTIVIST, HIS FOCUS AND WORK IN THE AREA OF HOUSING, EDUCATION AND -- AND THE MASSACHUSETTS PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION FOR EMPLOYMENT FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND 2011 LEADERSHIP AWARD. LAST WE HAVE SANDRA HARRELL A PROJECT DIRECTOR OF THE VERA INSTITUTE. THAT IS A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT. DURING THE TIME AT THE CENTER, WORKED WITH 50 COMMUNITIES HELPING THEM BUILD A MULTIDISCIPLINARY ORGANIZATION AND HELPING THE CHILDREN GET THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. THE PROFESSIONAL LIFE FOCUSES ON THE COMPLEXITIES WITH VIOLENCE AND DISABILITIES AND REMAINS IN ADDRESSING THE COMPLEXITIES. THREE VERY WONDERFUL SPEAKERS TODAY. BACK TO YOU, CORDELIA. >> THANK YOU. BEFORE GOING THERE, WE HAVE A HAVE YOU COMMENTS BEFORE YOU HEAR FROM THE SPEAKERS. THESE IMAGES ON THE SCREENS RIGHT NOW ARE TYPICAL OF THE KINDS OF IMAGES OF CHILDREN THAT WE SEE IN THE MEDIA AND WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH HOW LIMITED THEY ARE IN TERMS OF HOW INCLUSIVE ABOUT ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, RACE, CULTURE, ABILITIES, BIAS IN THE MEDIA, AND WE ALSO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE LAWS AROUND CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE WITH CHILDREN'S NAMES. AGAIN, A SIMILAR LOOK AMONG THESE CHILDREN. WE ARE NOT SEEING THE SAME KIND OF DIVERSITY OR INCLUSIVENESS HERE WITH THE CHILDREN THAT MANY OF US HAVE IN OUR LIVES AND WORK WITH IN THIS AS MORE CLEARLY DEPICTED HERE. I THINK IN PAST WEBINARS AND THE WORK WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE HERE AND NOW MOVING FORWARD I THINK WE KNOW THAT IT IS CRITICAL TO BE INCLUSIVE NOT ONLY IN THE IMAGES IN ALL OF THE WORK, BUT ALSO IN OUR CONTENT AND IN OUR CONCEPTS. TO HAVE PEOPLE NOT ONLY WELCOME IN OUR SERVICES BUT TO HAVE MUCH CLEARER PREVENTION MESSAGES. I HAVE AN EXAMPLE, I AM ON A BOARD FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN AND ONE OF THE THINGS COMING UP FOR SEARCHING FOR CHILDREN THAT ARE MISSING THEY HAD TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE WITH AUTISM, WHEN THE CHILDREN WITH AUTISM GOING MISSING THEY ARE NOT ON A HIGHER ALERT AT FIRST THEN OTHERS AND WHEN PARTNERED WITH THE PARENTS AND THE EXPERTS THEY HAVE LEARNED KEY WAYS TO HELP THE SEARCHERS FIND IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION, TO HAVE THE SPECIFICS AND THE CHILDREN WOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO THE SOME OF THE SEARCH TECHNIQUES THAT WERE NOT WORKING WITH THEM AND HELPING THAT TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. THAT WAS A CRITICAL CHANGE IN TRAINING THAT IS UNDERWAY AND PROTOCOLS FOR SEARCHING FOR CHILDREN AND HAVING MORE OF THE INFORMATION. WE KNOW THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF ABILITIES AND DISABILITIES IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL AND INTELLECTUAL, A WIDE RANGE. NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL AND THAT APPROACH IS NOT HELPFUL TO THE CHILDREN AND TO OUR FAMILIES OR TO OUR SERVICES. YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE BOOK FAR FROM THE TREE, ANDREW SULLIVAN THAT DEALS WITH STRUGGLE OF IDENTITY AND DEALING WITH THE CHILDREN BEING DIFFERENT FOR WHATEVER REASON AND THAT MEANS WE STRUGGLE WITH THE IDENTITY OF FINDING THE RIGHT KIND OF SERVICES AND THE RIGHT KIND OF STRENGTHS AND THE RIPPLE EFFECT IN THE FAMILIES TO HELP EACH OTHER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND NAVIGATING THROUGH THE POLITICAL COMMUNITY, VALUES AND CONTEXTS, THE STORIES, THE MEDICAL REALITIES OF THIS, THE CHANGING LANGUAGES AND APPROACHES AS WE ADVANCE IN THE FRONTS AND ALL OF THE EXPERTS AND MANY OF YOU ARE WORKING DAILY TO SORT THERE AND NAVIGATE. BACK TO YOU, JOAN. >> GREAT, I WANT TO SAY SINCE ANNOUNCING THIS, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO UNCOVER AND PEOPLE CONTACTING US WITH A NUMBER OF RESOURCES OUT THERE. HERE ARE TWO OF THE PARTICULAR GREAT RESOURCES THAT WERE SENT TO US. ONE IS DISABILITY [INDISCERNIBLE] AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND IS SERIES AND THIS IS WITH PARENTS ON DISABILITIES. I WANT TO SAY IF YOU CAN, IF YOU HAVE OTHER RESOURCES, PLEASE YOU KNOW TAKE A MOMENT TO PUT THEM IN THE CHAT AND WE CAN COLLECT THEM AND THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE THEM AND SHARE THEM AND WE'LL SEND THEM OUT AT A LATER TIME. LET'S TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THIS IS CAME FROM A CHILD WELFARE.ORG IN A 2009 REPORT, YOU CAN SEE THEY LOOKED AT CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND WITHOUT DISABILITIES. >> HI, JOAN. I'M LOSING YOU A BIT. CAN I DO A SOUND CHECK? SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THE SIGNAL WAS FADING. IT WAS GETTING JUMPY AND SEE MAYBE IF IT IS GETTING BETTER NOW. >> IS THIS BETTER? CAN YOU TELL NOW? >> THIS IS SHOWING THEY ARE REPORTED CASES AND THAT MEANS NOT ALL STATES SUBMIT THE DATA ON THE DISABILITIES. MANY OF THE STATES ARE NOT RECORDING WHETHER THE CHILD HAS A DISABILITY OR NOT. THAT IS NOT A REGULAR WAY OF COLLECTING THE DATA. THEY ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY A NUMBER OF STUDIES SHOW THEY ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE SERIOUSLY HARMED. THE VERA INSTITUTE IS TALKING ABOUT THE NATIONAL STATISTICS. LAST I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN LOOK AGAIN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RISKS AND THE OBJECTIVE FACTORS INDIVIDUAL AND SOCIETAL AND ONE OF THE FACTORS IN LACK OF TRAINING AND UNDERSTANDING. THAT AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF THE SOCIAL WORKERS AND THE PREACHERS TO IDENTIFY AND REPORT SUSPECTED MALTREATMENT. ONE OF THE ACTIONS IS TO EDUCATE OURSELVES AND OTHERS ABOUT THE KEY ISSUES THAT REALLY AFFECT CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND WHAT I LOVE IS IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT ONE ACTION IS DOING THE EDUCATION AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING TODAY BY JOINING THE WEBINAR. NOW TO SANDRA HARRELL THE PROJECT DIRECTOR OF THE VERA INSTITUTE. WELCOME, SANDRA. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, JOAN. LEONA, I'M DOING A SOUND CHECK, HOW IS THIS TO YOU? >> THANK YOU. >> FANTASTIC. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO PREVENTCONNECT AND CALCASA TO PARTICIPATE TODAY. THIS IS ON OBVIOUSLY INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THE MS. FOUNDATION AS WELL AS THE JUSTICE AND EVERYONE HAS COME TOGETHER TO WORK ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND WE ARE PLEASED TO HAVE THE PLATFORM TO TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FIELD. I WANT TO INTRODUCE THOSE OF YOU ON THE LINE THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH US AND OUR WORK AND HOW WE CAME TO THIS TOPIC INSTITUTION. WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1964 AND FOUNDED WHEN YOU FOUNDER WENT TO THE CITY OF NEW YORK & SAID IT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR THAT PEOPLE WITH MEANS WHO ARE ARRESTED FOR PETTY CRIMES ARE ABLE TO GET OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE POSTING BAIL AND PEOPLE WHO ARE POORER ARE SITTING IN JAIL AND LOST THEIR JOBS AND THAT IS A CASCADING EFFECT ON THEIR LIVES AND IN HE PILOTING WITH THE CITY OF NEW YORK WHICH HAS BECOME A BAIL BOND SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY. THAT IS SORT OF AN ANECDOTAL TO SHARE WITH YOU. WE REALLY WORK WITH GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS AND WITH NONPROFIT OS TO JUST BUILD THE CAPACITY OF THE BASED SYSTEMS AND THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEMS TO ENSURE THAT THE SYSTEMS THAT PEOPLE TURN TO FOR SUPPORT AND JUSTICE ARE RELIABLE AND AS SOCIALLY JUST AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS OUR BACKGROUND. THE VERA INSTITUTES BACKGROUND. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IN THE OFFICE ON VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN SINCE 2005 ONWARD, VERA INSTITUTE HAS BEEN IN PARTNERSHIP TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF VIOLENCE IN THE LIVES OF ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES, SPECIFICALLY WE HAVE WITHIN PROVIDING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO DISABILITY GRANT PROGRAM FOR THE OFFICE OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND TO ALL VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN GRANTEES ON THE ISSUE OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN WITH DISABILITIES AND VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. IN 2012, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE MS. FOUNDATION TO BRING WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED IN OUR WORK WITH ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES TO CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. SO THE GOALS OF THE PARTNER WITH THE FOUNDATION IS TO UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. ADDITIONALLY THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE UNIQUE DYNAMICS SURROUNDING SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND THE NEEDS OF THE CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND THE RESOURCES THAT IMPACT CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES, EXPERIENCE OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND THE EXPERIENCE OF GETTING THE SUPPORT AND INTERVENTION AND FINALLY THE GOAL WAS FOR THE FOR US TO HELP THE MS. FOUNDATION TO ENSURE THAT ITS MOVEMENT WAS INCLUSIVE OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND GROUNDED IN THE UNIQUE DYNAMICS AND REALITIES OF THE CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND THERE. WE RELEASED A MORE SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE FOUND. I WANTED TO SHARE YOU A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT. ARE PROCESS WAS TO CONDUCT, YOU KNOW, A THREE PHASED PROCESS. WE CONDUCTED A LITERATURE REVIEW INTERNALLY AND SO VERA COMBINES RESEARCH AND PRACTICE, AND WE HAVE AN ENTIRE RESEARCH TEAM AS PART OF OUR INSTITUTE. AND OUR RESEARCHERS CONDUCTED A LITERATURE REVIEW. WHAT WE FOUND, OF COURSE, IS THERE VERY LIMITED RESEARCH ON THE ISSUE OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT WHY THAT IS. THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID FIND, YOU KNOW, BEARS OUT WHAT JOAN WAS SHARING, IF WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF ALL OF THE RESEARCH AND CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES ARE THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ABUSED THAN CHILDREN WITHOUT DISABILITIES AND WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES ARE FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ABUSED. CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES ARE LEAST LIKELY TO SEEK SAFETY AND SUPPORT. I HAVE A HANDFUL OF STORIES TO SHARE WITH YOU AND ILLUSTRATES THE EXPERIENCES OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU AT THIS POINT SOME OF DETAILS CAN BE TRIGGERING, SO IF YOU NEED TO, STEP AWAY, MUTE ME, THE REST OF MY PRESENTATION WILL BE FINE WITHOUT THESE. IT BRINGS HOME THE POINT THAT IN REAL LIFE THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE EXPERIENCING. SO IN CALIFORNIA, THERE'S A STORY ABOUT A YOUNG WOMAN NAMED JENNIFER THAT REPEATEDLY WAS MAKING CLAIMS OF ALLEGATIONS OF BEING SEXUAL ABUSED IN A GROUP HOME IN WHICH SHE LIVED. IT IS MORE OF AN INSTITUTION THAN A GROUP HOME AND REPEATEDLY THE ALLEGATIONS WERE IGNORED, THE FAMILY'S CRIES FOR HELP WERE IGNORED AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT WAS LOST EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE MET WITH CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT IN FACT WHAT SHE WAS SAYING WAS TRUE AND TURNED UP PREGNANT AND THERE'S NEVER AN INVESTIGATION. PEOPLE COMPLETELY IGNORED HER AND HER CRIES FOR HELP WERE TOTALLY IGNORED AND THE PERPETRATOR, THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THESE ACTS WAS LONG GONE BY THE TIME THE PREGNANCY WAS REVEALED. SO THAT'S A VERY COMMON EXPERIENCE THAT CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES EVEN IF THEY ASK FOR HELP THERE IS NOT AN INVESTIGATION AND DOING A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION THEY DON'T DO ALL OF THE NECESSARY THINGS LIKE COLLECT EVIDENCE THROUGH A SEXUAL ASSAULT FORENSIC EXAMINATION. VERY, VERY RARELY REACHES A POINT OF PROSECUTION. AND SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT JOAN SHARED EARLIER, THEY DON'T REFLECT THE REALITY OF WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE IF PEOPLE EVER REPORT, THE REPORTS RARELY MAKE IT OUTSIDE OF THE INSTITUTION THAT THEY HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO. ANOTHER STORY THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IS A YOUNG WOMAN WHO HAD, WHO EXPERIENCED SEXUAL ASSAULT IN HER HOME AND WHEN SHE REACHED OUT TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, SHE CALLED THE EMERGENCY ROOM FOR ASSISTANCE AND SHE WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO HER BUT BECAUSE SHE AND THIS IS HER OWN WORDS SHE HAD NO WAY, NO CONCEPT OF HOW TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER. NO ONE HAD GIVEN HER THE VOCABULARY OR THE LANGUAGE OR THE FRAME WORK TO BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED AND THE RESPONSE ON THE OTHER END WAS NEXT TIME USE A CONDOM AND THAT WAS THE RESPONSE SHE GOT IN THE IMMEDIATE MOMENTS AFTER BEING RAPED. SHE CALLED THE HOSPITAL AND SAID SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO HER. AND BECAUSE THE SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS ON EDUCATION TO CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AROUND HEALTHY SEXUALITY AND UNHEALTHY SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND THE GAMUT ABOUT NOT GIVING THE NAMES FOR THE BODY PARTS, SHE COULDN'T GET THE HELP SHE NEEDED IN THAT MOMENT AND FOR MANY, MANY YEARS LATER SHE'S STRUGGLING WITH THIS. THIS ALWAYS GOES TO THE THIRD STORY, WHICH IS A YOUNG MAN WHO EXPERIENCED SEXUAL VIOLENCE WHEN HE WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HE'S NOW IN HIS PROBABLY LATE 30s AND YOU KNOW OFTEN WE'LL SHARE THE SHAME STORY AND HAVE THE EXACT EMOTIONAL RESPONSE IN SHARING THE STORY AND ONE OF THE TAKE AWAYS THAT I WANT YOU TO HAVE, IT HAS BEEN OVER 20 YEARS FOR HIM, HAVING EXPERIENCED THIS, HE'S EXPERIENCED SOME EMOTIONAL SUPPORT, THERE IS A PROFOUND LACK OF TAILORED THEY WERE APPROACHES IN WORKING WITH CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND BECAUSE OF THAT, VERY HAVE YOU PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAL FROM WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT TAILORED THE APPROACHES TO ASSURE THAT THE THERAPY INTERVENTIONS WILL HELP THEM HEAL FROM THE TRAUMA. THAT IS JUST A HANDFUL OF THE VERY REAL EXPERIENCES THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE ARE EXPLORING THIS PARTICULAR WORK IN THIS FIELD. I THOUGHT I COULD ANCHOR SOME THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION IN THOSE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES. I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE KNOWN RISK FACTORS FOR SEXUAL VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. THE RISK FACTORS ARE BUILT INTO THE VERY SYSTEMS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE SUPPORTS FOR CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. SO CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES FROM REALLY ALMOST AS SOON AS THEY ARE BORN THEY HAVE A GREATER LEVEL OF ISOLATION BOTH PHYSICAL AND SOCIAL ISOLATION. HISTORICALLY CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES WERE IMMEDIATELY INSTITUTIONALIZED AND THAT IS ON THE DOWN, IT IS GOING DOWN BECAUSE OF AN ENTIRE MOVEMENT BY THE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO CLOSE THE INSTITUTIONS BUT NONE THE LESS WE ARE SEEING THEM ISOLATED PROGRAMS IN THE SCHOOLS, WHERE IN THEY ARE NOT OFFERED PREVENTION EDUCATION OR SEX EDUCATION OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. THEY ARE SOCIALLY ISOLATED. IN MANY WAYS BOTH ON PURPOSE, NOT INVITING PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO BE PART OF THE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES OR EVEN WHEN THEY ARE INVITING THEM, NOT MAKING THE ACTIVITIES ACCESSIBLE AND THEREFORE THE INVITATION IS MOOT BECAUSE THE PERSON CAN'T JOIN. THERE IS A LACK OF CONTROL OVER THE LIFE AND BODIES OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. THIS IS TRUE OF COURSE OF CHILDREN IN GENERAL, BUT IN MOST OF THESE RISK FACTORS ARE TRUE WITH CHILDREN IN GENERAL, BUT EXACERBATED WITH THE CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. THE PERSON CARE ATTENDERS HAVE FULL ASSESS TO THE PERSON'S BODY. WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A YOUNG WOMAN WHO HAD A CASEWORKER AT THE HOUSE AND SHE, THE YOUNG GIRL WAS 12 YEARS OLD AND, SHE WAS A CHILD WITH A DISABILITY AND IN FRONT OF THE CASEWORKER THE MOTHER CHANGED THE DIAPER. NO EXPECTATION THAT SHE OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T NEED TO SEE HER BODY. THAT IS A GENERAL SORT OF CULTURE THAT SURROUNDS CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. THE PROFOUND LACK OF CONTROL OVER THEIR LIFE AND BODIES. MORE ADULTS TO WHOM THEY ARE IN CONTACT. EDUCATORS AND MEDICAL PERSONNEL, BUT CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES ALSO ENCOUNTER TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS, PERSONAL CARE PROVIDERS, REHAB SPECIALISTS, PHYSICAL THERAPISTS, A HUGE NUMBER OF ADULTS WHO COULD POSSIBLY PERPETRATE. THAT JUST PUTS THEM AT GREATEST RISK BECAUSE OF THE GREATER EXPOSURE TO PEOPLE THAT MIGHT PERPETRATE. THERE ARE REAL LIMITATIONS TO COMMUNICATION. NOT SIMPLY THAT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES CANNOT COMMUNICATE BUT WE AS A SOCIETY DENIED THEM THE VOCABULARY IN WHICH TO COMMUNICATE AND WARPED ATTEMPT TO PROTECT THEM WE HAVE MADE THEM PRISONERS OF JUST NOT HAVING ENOUGH INFORMATION, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET, TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM. THEN THOSE WHO DO HAVE COMMUNICATION DISABILITIES, THEY ARE OFTEN VERY LITTLE ACCESSIBILITY AROUND TO HELP THEM COMMUNICATE. THE NONVERBALS USE THE BOARD TO SYMBOL AND THE SYMBOLS RECENTLY WAS SEARCHING FOR THOSE THAT ACTUALLY REFERENCED BODY PARTS OR SEXUAL OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND I COULDN'T FIND A SINGLE ONE ON THE WEB. I AM SURE THEY EXIST, BUT IF THEY EXIST THEY ARE NOT PREVALENT OR A PART OF THE CHILDREN'S LIVES AND SO WE ARE RESTRICTING THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE NONVERBAL BY LITERALLY KEEPING THE WORDS FROM THEM. I MENTIONED THERE ARE LIMIT TO NO ACCESS ON INFORMATION TO SEX. SEX EDUCATION IS JUST NOT OFFERED IN THE SPECIAL EDUCATION PROGRAMMING IN PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND PARENTS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE TALKING TO THEIR CHILDREN IN GENERAL ABOUT SEX, BUT SPECIFICALLY CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES WHOSE THESE PARENTS HAVE A HARD TIME IMAGINING WILL BE SEXUAL. THEY DON'T BROACH THE SUBJECT WITH THEM. THERE IS NO SENSE OF WHAT HEALTHY SEXUALITY IS OR WHAT CONSENT IS. IF YOU CAN'T SAY NO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AROUND THE BASIC HEALTHY SEXUALITY, YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE. SO IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE THAT PUTS THEM AT GREAT, GREAT RISKS. THEN THERE IS THIS CULTURE PHENOMENON THAT DEPERSONALIZES CHILDRENS WITH DISABILITIES AND DEHUMANIZES THEM IN MANY, MANY, WAYS AND CAN BE DEMONSTRATED IN WHAT WE SEE ABOUT HOW CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES ARE JUST TREATED AS EITHER SUB HUMAN, THAT YOU HEAR STORY AFTER STORY ABOUT GENETIC COUNSELLORS COUNSELLING MOTHERS WHO ARE GOING TO GIVE BIRTH TO A CHILD WITH DOWN SYNDROME TO ABORT THE PREGNANCY, TERMINATE THE PREGNANCY AND SURGERIES FOR THE COCHLEAR IMPLANTS TO CURE THE DEAFNESS. WE NEED TO HAVE SURGICAL AND MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS TO CURE IT IS IN AND OF ITSELF SAYING A GREAT DEAL ABOUT WHAT WE THINK ABOUT PEOPLE AND CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KNOWN RISK FACTORS. I WANTED TO SPEND MORE TIME AND LEONA, CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF MY TIMING UP TO THIS POINT? >> THIS IS JOAN, TWO MORE MINUTES. >> GREAT. I AM ALMOST THERE. SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING ON AS SORT OF THESE VALUES THAT WE HAVE AROUND CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. BUT THEN OUR SOCIETY REALLY EXACERBATES THE VULNERABILITY. THEY CREATE SERVICES AND THERAPY APPROACHES AND SEX EDUCATION FOR THE CHILDREN WITHOUT DISABILITIES AND DO NOT AT ALL CONSIDER THE REALITIES OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES IN THE CREATION OF THOSE. AND DENYING ACCESS TO EDUCATION ABOUT HEALTHY SEXUALITY. AND THEN AS WE SAW IN JENNIFER'S STORY, FAILING TO RESPOND TO CRIMES BECAUSE IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING, SHE'S IMAGINING IT, MAKING IT UP, ET CETERA, OR YOU KNOW, SHE'S LYING FOR ATTENTION. IN ALL OF THIS IS UNDER THE SENSE OF THAT WHY WOULD THAT EVEN HAPPEN TO A PERSON, WHY WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO DO THAT TO A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY. CRIMES ARE JUST SIMPLY NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL AGAINST THEM. WHEN THEY ARE ADDRESSED, THEY ARE TREATED AS ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS. SO THE INSTITUTION OR THE ORGANIZATION THAT EMPLOYEES THE PERSON THAT PERPETRATED AGAINST THIS PERSON MAY BE FIRED BUT NOT REPORTED TO THE POLICE AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THE EFFECTS THAT HAS. I MENTIONED THAT SOCIETY, THE WAY THAT THIS ALL BUILDINGS INTO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LIVES OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES IS THAT THE THERAPY PROTOCOLS ARE BASED ON CHILDREN WITHOUT DISABILITIES AND THE CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES ARE AT GREATER RISKS, YET WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TAILORED PROTOCOLS FOR INTERVENING AND HELPING THEM TO HEAL FROM WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED. AND IMPORTANTLY, THE WAY THAT WE RESPOND TO DISCLOSURES OF SEXUAL ABUSE, WHEN A RESPONSE DOES HAPPEN, IT IS NOT BY HOLDING ACCOUNTABLE THE PERSON THAT COMMITTED THAT SEXUAL ABUSE, BUT RESTRICTING THE PERSONAL FREEDOMS OF THE VICTIM. WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN ENTIRE HISTORY OF BEING INSTITUTIONALIZED AND HIDDEN AWAY, SHUT AWAY, KEPT AWAY FROM THE REST OF SOCIETY THE THREAT OF HAVING BEING RE INSTITUTIONALIZED IS A GREATER THREAT THAN NEVER HEALING FROM THE TRAUMA OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TELL. IT DOESN'T COME OUT. THIS BRINGS ME TO THE PREVENTION AGENDA AROUND THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, IT IS MUCH LIKE THE PREVENTION AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE AROUND ALL OF THIS, WHICH IS ENSURING THAT PUBLIC AND ORGANIZATIONAL POLICIES ADDRESS SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND IN EFFECTIVE AND APPROPRIATE WAYS, AND IN WAYS THAT DO NOT DRAW UPON THE NOTIONS OF HAVING TO SHUT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AWAY AND NOT DRAWING ON THE NOTIONS CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES SOMEHOW ARE LESS DESERVING OF HELP OR SUPPORT THAN CHILDREN WITHOUT DISABILITIES. AND THEN ENHANCING ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY TO SERVE THE CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE HERE. WE ARE NEVER GOING TO KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM UNTIL WE RESPOND TO THE DISCLOSURES. THEN IMPORTANTLY PROMOTING EQUALITY OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES THROUGH THE WORK WE DO. THOSE ARE MY REMARKS AND NOW OVER TO OUR MODERATORS, THANK YOU. >> GREAT. SO JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, SANDRA, THAT IS WONDERFUL. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO GIVE THE OVERVIEW BY CAPTURED THE WAY OF LOOKING AT THE ISSUES DIFFERENTLY. I WANT TO TURN THIS OVER TO MEG. WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE A QUESTION AND ANSWER, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SEND THEM TO US IN THE CHAT. NOW TO MEG. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO SANDRA TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE CULTURE AND THE PRACTICES OF DISABILITY SERVICES AND SPECIAL EDUCATION AND I BELIEVE AND THOSE OF AT IMPACT ABILITY BELIEVE THAT ADDRESSING AND CHANGES THE SOCIAL NORMS AND THE CULTURE PRACTICES ARE KEY PART OF PREVENTING ABUSE AGAINST BOTH YOUTH AND ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES. WE HAVE A MODEL FOR THE PROGRAMS IN SCHOOLS THAT HELPS TO PREVENT ABUSE AND ALSO ENCOURAGES EFFECTIVE RESPONSES TO ABUSE REPORTS. AS SANDRA SHARED IN HER PRESENTATION, THE LACK OF SERVICES, THE LACK OF SUPPORT, AND THE GREAT NEED FOR EDUCATION FOR FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES MEANS THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO ANY PRIMARY PREVENTION WITHOUT ADDRESSING AND SUPPORTING THE NEEDS OF SURVIVORS. I WILL TALK ABOUT JUST A FEW OF THE NORMS AND THE WAY WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES THAT ME AND OTHERS WITHOUT DISABILITIES WOULDN'T HAVE TYPICALLY AS PART OF OUR LIVES. A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE WORK WITH, A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE THAT SUPPORT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES OFTEN HAVE WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL OR WE HAVE CALLED A CULTURE OF COMPLIANCE. I REMEMBER THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE IMPACT MOBILITY MODEL IS A TRIANGLE, DISABILITY AND SUPPORT ADVOCACY SUPPORT ORGANIZATION IN THE BOSTON AREA AND USING WHAT WE LEARNED AND TO IMPACT THE CULTURE OF OTHER SCHOOLS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE WORKING WITH. I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS WORK, A COLLEAGUE OF MINE SAID YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE JUST EXPECTED TO DO WHATEVER A PERSON WITHOUT A DISABILITY SAYS. WHETHER IT BE WHAT THEY EAT OR ACTIVITIES THEY ARE DOING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, SOMETIMES AT A LEVEL OF WHAT THEY WEAR. IMAGINE A PERPETRATOR IN THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WAY, IT MAKES THE TASK OF PERPETRATION EASIER. ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE SEE IN THE SCHOOLS THAT WE WORK WITH ARE WHEN TEENS WITH DISABILITIES DO THINGS THAT TEENS WITHOUT DISABILITIES DO, THE REACTIONS ARE SO DIFFERENT. WE HAD A YOUNG MAN TEEN WITH A DISABILITY AND HAD A CRUSH ON A GIRL THAT DIDN'T RECIPROCATE AND HE TOLD HER ABOUT THAT AND HE TOLD HER HE LOVED HER. THE SCHOOL MADE HIM HAVE LUNCH BY HIMSELF. SO WHEN WE STARTED IMPACT ABILITY AND -- THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE ASKED OURSELVES IS WOULD I TREAT A PERSON WITHOUT A DISABILITY THIS WAY? WOULD I SHARE THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW SOMEONE GOES TO THE BATHROOM. WOULD I SPEAK TO SOMEBODY IN A VERY HIGH TONE OF VOICE. WOULD I SPEAK TO SOMEONE THAT WAY. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO KEITH AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGING THE NORMS AND ABLEISM. >> THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? DO I SOUND OKAY? >> KEITH, HE SOUNDS A LITTLE DISTANT TO ME. CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING AGAIN FOR ME. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS THAT BETTER? >> YES, THANK YOU. >> WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU MEG AND THANK THE MS. FOUNDATION AND FOR HAVING US. CHALLENGING THE NORMS IN THE AS MUCH ASS WE DO IS ADDRESS WHAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY DEAL WITH DISABILITIES ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, AND THE TERM IS CALLED ABLEISM. WE IN THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED ABLEISM. THIS IS WHERE SERVICES ARE STRICTLY DONE FROM A TEMPORARILY ABLE BODIED FOR THOSE WITHOUT DISABILITIES. WE ARE TREATED AS THOUGH WE DON'T EXIST AS THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A VOICE AND CHALLENGING THE NORMS IS SAYING TO THE OS IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SERVICES TOWARDS CHILDREN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL CHILDREN. ARE YOU SAYING WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DISCUSS CHILDREN WHO ARE NOT DISABLED? AND BRINGING THIS CULTURE INTO THE ORGANIZATION BY JUST ASKING, ARE PERSONS IN THE PROGRAM'S DESIGN. SO ONE OF THESE THINGS IS MAKING SURE THERE ARE VISIBLE AND COORDINATED EFFORTS AND WHEN YOU INVEST IN DESIGNING THE POLICIES AND YOU ARE INCLUDING THE PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT FLIRTATION AND CLEAR POLICIES AND TALKING ABOUT IT AND HAVING A WHISTLE BLOWER PROTECTION, ABUSE PROTECTION, AND IF YOU HAVE THESE THINGS. NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MEG AND TALK ABOUT THE EFFORTS TO BE CONTINUED. >> SURE, SO A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES AND INEQUITIES THAT SANDRA DESCRIBED IN THE FIRST PART OF THE WEBINAR ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS AND IMPLEMENT WITHIN DISABILITY SERVICES, DAY-TO-DAY ON THE GROUND WHAT ARE THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE DAILY THAT ENSURES THAT WE ARE NOT PERPETUATING THE RISK FACTORS FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO ABUSE. THERE ARE THREE MAIN COMPONENTS. THE FIRST IS OFFICIAL POLICIES THAT ENCOURAGE STAFF AND PROVIDERS TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY TO ABUSE, NOT TO BE SILENCED BY FEAR OF REPORTING COWORKERS IF THEY NOTICE OR OBSERVE RISKY BEHAVIORS. A LOT OF WHAT WE REALIZE WHEN WE STARTED THE WORK, A LOT OF SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE SCARED TO DO ANYTHING, FELT LIKE NOBODY ELSE IS DOING IT SO THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO SPEAK ABOUT A STAFF MEMBER SAYING I'M GOING TO BREAK YOUR FACE IF YOU DO THIS AND PASSING THAT THREAT OFF AS A JOKE. THE OFFICIALLY POLICIES FROM THE TOP. WE HAVE CREATED MODEL POLICIES FOR HOW TO RESPOND TO ABUSE REPORTS AND WHISTLE BLOWER POLICIES AND OTHER POLICIES FOR PREVENTION. BUT WE KNOW THAT ANYTHING ON PAPER IS ONLY WORTH PART OF THE ISSUE. BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW SOME OF THE POLICIES OF THE EMPLOYERS AND NOT OTHERS, WE ALL KNOW WHAT PEOPLE TAKE SERIOUSLY AND WHAT PEOPLE DON'T. SO ANOTHER BIG PART OF IMPACT ABILITY IS THROUGH TRAINING, THROUGH SUPPORT, THROUGH IDENTIFYING AND CONNECTING WITH PEER LEADERS WITHIN THE SYSTEM, TO REALLY CHANGE THE CULTURE OF THE ORGANIZATION. YOU KNOW, WE DO SPECIFIC EDUCATION AND TRAINING FOR ANYBODY THAT DOES PERSONAL AND INTIMATE CARE AND RESPECTING THE BOUNDARIES. JUST AS IMPORTANTLY WE DO WORK FOR DISABILITY SERVICE PROVIDERS TO ADDRESS THEIR CHALLENGES WITH THE FOLKS THEY SUPPORT BEING SEXUAL BEINGS. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE INTERVENTION WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY WHO LIVED IN THE GROUP HOME THEY MANAGED GO TO THE BEDROOM WITH THEIR DATING PARTNER BECAUSE OF THE PERSON BEING ABUSED. WE ARE ADDRESSING REAL CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE AS WELL AS VERY DEEP ABLEIST OR ABLEIST INSPIRED BELIEFS THAT PEOPLE HAVE. ANOTHER PART OF THE IMPACT ABILITY MODEL IS GIVING PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES THE TOOLS TO PROTECT AND ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES AND GIVING THEM EDUCATION ABOUT SEXUALITY. MANY OF THE FOLKS IN THE PROGRAM ARE YOUTHS AND SOME ARE ADULTS SOME IN THE 50s AND 60s. WE BELIEVE THAT SELF-PROTECTION AND SELF-ADVOCACY SKILLS IMPORTANT PART OF THE PREVENTION, A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY IS ALONE OR ISOLATED WHEN THE PERSON IS TRYING TO PERPETRATE AND THEY NEED THE TOOLS FOR WHAT TO DO IN THE MOMENT. THE OTHER IMPORTANT PART OF PIECE OF THAT PROGRAM IS THAT TOO MANY INTERVENTIONS THAT INVOLVE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE CARRIED OUT AROUND THEM WITHOUT INCLUDING THEM. SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE WITHOUT DISABILITIES AND COMING IN AND THE FOCUS IS ON THE STAFF. THE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IS PART OF THE SAFETY OF OTHER FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES. KEITH, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES AND SUCCESSES? I'M A LITTLE AWARE OF THE TIME. I WILL PASS IT BACK OVER TO YOU. >> OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IS A RECURRING THEME, YOUTH AND CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES ARE JUST THAT INDIVIDUALS. SO THE CHALLENGE IS GETTING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE POPULATION THAT THEY ARE SERVING ACTUALLY INCLUDES CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES WHERE THEY ARE AWARE OF THEM OR NOT. SO THAT HAS BEEN SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. BUT SOME OF THE SUCCESSES HAVE BEEN IN RAISING ON THE AWARENESS AROUND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES AND ABUSE. IN GETTING OUR GRANT, WE WERE PART OF THE -- AND SUBMITTED, OH, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE VULNERABLE AND THAT GOES TO THE HEART OF ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AND SOME OF THE SUCCESSES. THE OTHER SUCCESSES ARE BEING ABLE TO GIVE INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THROUGH THE ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE LEADERSHIP THAT ACTUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD AS WELL AS REENFORCE THE ADVOCACY PIECES. OUR CHALLENGES AGAIN ARE THE WAY INSTITUTIONS HAVE PERCEIVED PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND HOW THEY TALK ABOUT THE PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND INSTITUTION OF BUREAUCRACY AND IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS IN ORDER TO BRING THE TOOLS. SIMPLY USING THE BULLYING CAMPAIGN IS SOME WHAT AS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING -- BUT THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR MAJOR CHALLENGES IS TO GET TO THE INSTITUTIONS AND NOT BELIEVING [INDISCERNIBLE] AND LASTLY THE OTHER CHALLENGES AGAIN AS STATED BEFORE, JUST THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT IF YOU ARE HUMAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A FULLY HEALTHY SEXUAL IDENTITY. THAT IS ONE OF THE HARDEST FOR THE PEOPLE TO GRASP. AT THIS POINT BACK TO MEG. >> SO A LOT OF I KNOW THAT PROBABLY FROM THE POLL THAT WAS DONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CALL APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CALL ARE IN THE CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE OR PREVENTION WORLD. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FOCUS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS ON MOBILIZING BYSTANDERS AND ENGAGING BYSTANDERS, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PERPETRATING. A BIG OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURE CHANGE WE ARE IMPLEMENTING WITHIN DISABILITY SERVICES IS AROUND CHALLENGING CONVERSATIONS AND BYSTANDER MOBILIZATIONS. WE FIND A LOT OF RISKY SITUATIONS OR WHAT WE LIKE TO CALL UNCHECKED EMOTIONAL ABUSE CAN BE SEEN AS BUSINESS AS USUAL. I REMEMBER WE DID A CLASS FOR A GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ATTEND A SCHOOL FOR STUDENTS WITH SIGNIFICANT MEDICAL DISABILITIES AND WE DID A LESSON FOR THE STUDENTS ON ASSERTIVE COMMUNICATION AND SETTING BOUNDARIES WITH THEIR BODIES AND ONE OF THE STAFF CAME BACK TO US AND SAID YOU KNOW YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE ACROSS, THE STAFFER BEING AN ASSERTIVE WITH THE PCA'S AND SETTING THE BOUNDARIES THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STRANGERS RIGHT. THAT IS THE MOMENT I KNEW THAT THE PROGRAM WAS WORKING. AT THE SAME TIME, WE AS PEOPLE WITHOUT DISABILITIES WHO ARE WORKING IN DISABILITY SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS REALLY HAVE A KEY ROLE TO PLAY OF YOU KNOW SEEING THINGS THAT OUR CO-WORKERS ARE DOING AND HAVING A CULTURE WHERE PEOPLE REPRESENT AND REPRESENTATIVE TO LOOKING AT WHAT MESSAGE AM I SENDING WHEN I GIVE THIS PERSON A HUG. WHAT MESSAGE AM I SENDING WHEN SERVING EVERYONE THE SAME BREAKFAST AND SUPPORTING THEIR CHOICES. A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS, A LOT OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND BECOME PART OF PROTECTIVE FACTORS OPPOSED TO THE RISK FACTORS CAN BE VERY STRESSFUL. SO A LOT OF WHAT I TAKE FROM THE YEARS THAT I HAVE SPENT TEACHING SELF-DEFENSE IT IS GIVING ME AND A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT I TEACH AN OPPORTUNITY TO MANAGE OUR PHYSIOLOGY ADRENALINE AND STRESS RESPONSES AND WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH A CHALLENGING CONVERSATION WOULD BE PART OF PREVENTION, WE CAN DO IT. WE ARE NOT SO OVERWHELMED BY THE STRESS RESPONSE AND WE HAVE THE TOOLS TO MANAGE THAT AND WE CAN CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY, HEALTHY SEXUALITY, BODY INTEGRITY, SO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ARE GETTING A MESSAGE THAT CAN REALLY HELP THEM DISCERN ABUSE THAN THAT OF BUSINESS AS USUAL. WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END AND THEN TO KEITH FOR THE DISCUSSION. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PREVENTION, WE DON'T JUST WANT TO TALK DISABILITY SERVICES, YOUTH WITH DISABILITIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO ANY BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, ANY YOUTH SERVING AGENCY, ANY OTHER PROGRAM THAT IS AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT ANY CHILD OR YOUTH. SO WHEN THOSE PROGRAMS ARE FOCUSSING ON CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE PREVENTION WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND WHAT KEEPS THEM SAFE IS INCLUSIVE OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. IN THAT SPIRIT, WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT A SCENARIO FOR DISCUSSION THAT KEITH WILL KIND OF KICK OFF THE DISCUSSION AND THEN THROUGH THE MODERATORS WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR A BROADER CONVERSATION. >> THANK YOU. I WILL READ THE SCENARIO AND WHAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT HOW WOULD YOUR AGENCY RESPOND TO THIS CALL. THE SCENARIO, YOU ARE THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR AND AS POLICY FOR HINDERING THE ADULTS BEING ALONE WITH ONE CHILD, YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH A FEW QUESTIONABLE -- RECENTLY A YOUNG WOMAN WITH A DISABILITY BEGAN ATTENDING THE PROGRAM, REQUIRES ASSISTANCE WHEN USING THE BATHROOM AND USED TO GET PERSONAL CARE AT SCHOOL. SHE VALUES HER PRIVACY. AND DOESN'T WANT MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN THE BATHROOM WHEN RECEIVING PERSONAL CARE, HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE ORGANIZATION'S POLICY, TWO STAFF MEMBERS PROVIDE BATHROOM ASSISTANCE TO HER. SHE'S FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE. THE SECOND STAFF MEMBER IS WATCHING HER. AND THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ARE FRUSTRATED. YOU HAVE HEARD YOUNG PEOPLE MAKE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GIRL IN THE WHEELCHAIR GETTING TOO MUCH ATTENTION. AND YOU WORRY THAT IS EFFECTED HER ABILITY TO MAKE FRIENDS. SO WITH THAT SCENARIO, THINK ABOUT HOW WOULD ADDRESS THAT AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS. >> RIGHT, JUST GOING WAY BACK IN TIME, HOW MIGHT THAT POLICY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IF YOUNG PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WHO REQUIRE PERSONAL INTIMATE CARE HAS BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE POPULATION THAT THE YOUTH SERVING ORGANIZATION SERVES. >> HOW MIGHT THE POLICY BE DIFFERENT. >> WELL, I GUESS IN SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I WORKED FOR AND WITH, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ARE THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THESE KINDS OF SCENARIOS, PEOPLE WHO ARE THE POLICY MAKERS OFTEN GO, OH, WE HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN THAT WAY. PART OF IT IS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, AND THE OTHER HALF IS YOU SHOULD BE AWARE WHEN SERVING YOUTH THAT YOUTH COME IN LIKE DIFFERENT GENDERS AND DIFFERENT SEXUAL IDENTITIES AND DIFFERENT ABILITIES AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS BEING MORE INCLUSIVE AND SERVING ALL OF THE PARTICIPANTS AND ALSO TO UNDERMINE THE SCENARIO WHERE SOME OF THE KIDS WE ARE TALKING THAT GIRL IN THE WHEELCHAIR. THAT GOES TO ISOLATION THAT OFTEN TIMES YOUTH WITH DISABILITIES RECEIVE. SO I THINK THAT SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL HAVE TAKEN THE APPROACH IT IS NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL, EACH CHILD COMES WITH ITS OWN UNIQUE CHALLENGES AND SUCCESSES AND GOODS AND BADS AND THAT NEED TO HAVE A POLICY THAT IS BROAD ENOUGH AND FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THAT. >> THANK YOU, KEITH. >> HI, THIS IS SANDRA. I THINK THAT KEITH TOUCHED UPON A NUMBER OF THE PIECES THAT I WOULD ADD, WHICH IS JUST IF YOU ARE PROACTIVE IN DESIGNING YOUR POLICIES TO ACCOUNT FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IN THE POPULATIONS THAT YOU SERVE THIS POLICY MAY LOOK FOR DIFFERENT AND OUTLINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A CHILD WITH A DISABILITY AND THAT WOULD BE OUTLINED IN THE POLICY AND ACCOUNTED FOR. >> I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE YOUNG WOMAN FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A SECOND PERSON IN THE BATHROOM. I UNDERSTAND AND TRULY RESPECT HAVING DONE A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONAL POLICY DEVELOPMENT IT IS USEFUL TO HAVE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, IT IS THIS WAY AT ALL TIMES IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES POLICY BECAUSE A LOT OF SITUATIONS IN WHICH ARE AT RISK TO PERPETRATE OFTEN START WITH SORT OF DUCKING AROUND THE WHOLE POLICY. HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE INTIMATE CARE IN WHICH SUPPORTING PEOPLE'S PRIVACY AND PRIVACY WITH THEIR BODIES IS A PROTECTIVE FACTOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EXCEPTION TO THE POLICY AND SCREENING AND TRAINING OF ANYONE PROVIDING INTIMATE CARE. WHETHER THAT PERSON IS A DESIGNATED PERSON OR NOT. I THINK THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH A YOUNG PERSON WHO DOESN'T NEED INTIMATE CARE WOULD LEGITIMATELY NEED TO BE ALONE WITH ONE ADULT, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE THERAPY SESSIONS AND ONE ON ONE INTERACTIONS, BUT I THINK THERE IS A LOT LESS NECESSITY FOR THOSE TYPES OF INTERACTIONS. BUT IN DESIGNING THAT TYPE OF POLICY THERE ARE -- THEN I THINK WE CAN BOTH ACCOMPLISH THE PREVENTION GOAL OF THE ONE CHILD ONE ADULT POLICIES THAT EXIST AND NOT HAVE A YOUNG PERSON FEEL LIKE SHE'S ON DISPLAY WHEN GETTING THE PERSONAL CARE AND HER CHOICE AND HER BODY IS BEING SUPPORTED. >> GREAT, THANK YOU. THESE ARE WONDERFUL INSIGHTS. ONE OF THE THINGS TO COMMENT ON WITH MY EXPERIENCES, I WANT TO COMMEND THE ORGANIZATIONS FOR HAVING A POLICY AND IMPLEMENTING IT. THERE NEEDS TO BE THE FEATURES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, BUT A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS HAVE NOT GOTTEN THIS FAR. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE COMMENTS COMING THROUGH, ADDRESSING THE SECOND QUESTION, HOW WOULD ADDRESS THE CURRENT SITUATION AND PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO MOVE IT TOWARDS A -- POLICY AND TALKING ABOUT ROLE PLAYS AND GIVING A VOICE TO THE YOUNG WOMAN. WE HAVE GREAT COMMENTS COMING FORWARD AND MAYBE THE ORDERS OF -- ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD GIVEN THE CURRENT POLICY AND ADDRESSING THE CURRENT SITUATION, SPECIFIC TOOLING THAT YOU WOULD OFFER TO THE ORGANIZATION? >> GO AHEAD. >> I HAVE AN IDEA I MIGHT FORGET. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED WITH IMPACT ABILITY IS A TRAINING FOR PERSONAL CARE RESIDENTIAL STAFF AND OTHERS THAT PROVIDE THE CARE, THAT REALLY FOCUSES ON HAVING PEOPLE REALLY SUPPORT CHOICE, ASK HOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO RECEIVE PERSONAL CARE. IF THIS YOUNG WOMAN IS FEELING WATCHED, IF THE POLICY CANNOT CHANGE, MAYBE THE TWO PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE BOTH BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE PERSONAL CARE AND THE TWO PEOPLE CAN WORK WITH THE YOUNG WOMAN AROUND WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE HER FEEL LESS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE PERSONAL CARE. WHAT WE WANT TO TEACH IS THAT PEOPLE'S BODIES ARE THEY OWN AND PEOPLE EVEN REGARDLESS OF WHAT LEVEL OF MEDICAL ASSISTANCE OR PERSONAL CARE ASSISTANCE THEY NEED WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE CHOICE ABOUT THEIR BODIES. ONE OF THE THINGS, WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO IS ON THE ABUSE TEAM THAT USING A WHEELCHAIR AND HAS A PERSONAL CARE STAFF AND ONE THING SHE SAID SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT SHE HAS TO BE NICE TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE SHE NEEDS THEIR HELP AND BEEN TAUGHT AND TOLD BY ONE OF THE PARENTS NOT TOO BE DIFFICULT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANT. SO A LOT OF CHANGING AND ADDRESSING THAT SOCIALIZATION. ANOTHER SORT OF SIDE BENEFIT OF DOING THIS TRAINING IS THAT PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE PERSONAL INTIMATE CARE ARE DOING SOME OF THE MOST DIFFICULT JOBS I CAN IMAGINE AND OFTEN DOING SO WITH NO RECOGNITION, NOT A LOT OF PAY, AND DON'T GET A LOT OF SUPPORT AND TRAINING. SO ONE THING THAT WAS REALLY TRANSFORMATIVE HERE, PEOPLE THAT ARE USUALLY INVISIBLE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION BEING SEEN AS LEADERS IN ABUSE PREVENTION. THAT DAY THAT YOU TOOK THE EXTRA TIME BRUSHING SOMEONE'S HAIR IN THE WAY THEY WANTED SO THEY CAN FEEL THE POWER OF THEMSELVES IS MUCH A PART OF ABUSE PREVENTION AS ANY VISIBLE POSTER I MIGHT DESIGN. I THINK REALLY VALUING TRAUMA INFORMED AND PREVENTION INFORMED CARE IS A HUGE KEY. >> THIS IS SANDRA, I JUST DON'T WANT THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS TO WALK AWAY WITH A FALSE NOTION HERE AND IT IS IMPORTANT PIGGY BACKING ON WHAT MEG AND KEITH ARE SAYING TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANT IS SOMEONE THAT IS THEIR JOB. THEY HAVE GOTTEN SOME LEVEL OF TRAINING FOR THAT AND HIRED TO DO THAT. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A YOUTH SERVING ORGANIZATION AND YOU HAVE ADULTS THERE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THE CARE. THE PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANT IS THE PERSON FOR THE PERSON WITH THE ABILITY HAS CHOSEN AND EMPLOYED BY THAT PERSON. NOT JUST A RANDOM ADULT HELPING YOU GO TO THE BATHROOM. >> RIGHT. I GUESS I WOULD ADD AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE USE OF TRAUMA INFORMED POLICY INCLUSIONS, THE CULTURE COMPONENT IS THERE. A LOT OF TIMES WE WANT TO TRY TO REDUCE PEOPLE DOWN OR FINE MOTOR CHALLENGES, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT MUCH LIKE THEIR GENDER IDENTITY, THEIR DISABILITY IDENTIFY EVEN FOR THE CHILDREN IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THEIR CULTURE IDENTITY BECAUSE WE MAY SEE AS EFFECTIVE PREVENTION POLICY MAY COME IN CONFLICT WITH THE CULTURE NORMS EVEN IN THE PREVENTION WE ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE OR ADDRESS. SO MAKING SURE NOT ONLY THE WHO YOU HAVE DESIGNED THE POLICIES, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAY I MAY THINK OF ABUSE EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN THE POLICY OR NOT IN THE POLICY MAY COME IN CONFLICT WHAT YOU DEEM AS POLICY. SO AGAIN, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO ADD FOR YOU ALL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLICIES, IS CLASS RELEVANT, DISABILITY RELEVANT AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT ALL OF THE CHILDREN ARE NOT JUST DEFINED BY YOUTH BUT MULTIPLICITY OF FACTORS. >> KEITH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. NOW TRANSITIONS TO THE VALUE GUIDES AND ABUSE AND PREVENTION PROTOCOLS. DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT OR GOING BACK TO MEG OR SANDRA? >> ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN GO BACK TO MEG OR SANDRA. >> HOW ABOUT SANDRA? >> I'M PUNTING TO MEG. >> OKAY. I GUESS I HAVE NO FURTHER PEOPLE TO PASS IT TO. I HAVE BEEN READING SOME OF THE CHAT COMMENTS AND IT IS A REALLY, REALLY VERY GOOD CONVERSATION GOING ON THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE MENTIONED DAVE HINSBERGER WHO HAS WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED THE ETHICS OF TOUCH AND SEVERAL OTHER BOOKS. HIS WORK HAS REALLY BEEN A VERY STRONG FOUNDATION OF WHO WE DO. HE'S A DISABILITY ADVOCATE BASED IN CANADA WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK BOTH AROUND PREVENTION AND AROUND ABLEISM AND SOCIAL JUSTICE WITHIN DISABILITY SERVICES. AS WELL AS ALSO SEXUALLY. I THINK TO SANDRA'S POINT PERSONAL AND INTIMATE CARE SHOULD BE THE WORK OF SOMEBODY WHO IS TRAINED TO DO THAT AND THE SKILL SET TO DO THAT. SOME FOLKS THAT WE SUPPORT HAVE PERSONAL CARE ATTENDANTS WITH THEM ALL THE TIME. OTHER FOLKS THAT WE SUPPORT DON'T NEED INTIMATE CARE OF THE TIME BUT A STAFF MEMBER WITH MULTIPLE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE ALSO PROVIDING THE INTIMATE KATE. SOME OF THE STAFFERS THEIR JOB IS PERSONAL CARE AND HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AND OTHER RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE YOUTH. SO I THINK ONE THING AND LOOKING AT A POLICY LIKE THIS IS BEING VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHOSE JOB IS INTIMATE CARE AND WHOSE JOB IS NOT. THAT IS A KEY PIECE OF PREVENTION AND THAT EVERYBODY IS THEIR ROLE AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE WHEN INTERACTING WITH A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY, PARTICULARLY AROUND SOMETHING RELATED TO THEIR BODIES. TERMS OF VALUES, CLEARLY THIS ORGANIZATION VALUES THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN SO MUCH SO THAT THEY ARE TAKING A HUGE STEP BACK AND REALLY REMOVING ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANYONE TO PERPETRATE AN ACT OF ABUSE. AT THE SAME TIME THIS O IS DOING SO IN A WAY THAT HAS A VERY ONE SIZE FITS ALL, YOU KNOW, NEVER ANY OPPORTUNITY WHERE IT IS A PROTECTIVE FACTOR FOR AN ADULT TO BE ALONE WITH A CHILD. OTHER SERVICES AND OTHER SITUATIONS IN WHICH YOUNG PEOPLE MAY FIND THEMSELVES DO HAVE VERY LEGITIMATE AND HELPFUL AND POSITIVE REASONS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND ADULTS TO BE IN ONE ON ONE SITUATIONS. I WOULD MAYBE LOOK AT THE VALUE OF SAFETY AND LOOK AT THE VALUE OF EMPOWERING YOUNG PEOPLE AND CREATING PROTECTIVE FACTORS AND GET A LITTLE MORE NUANCED ON HOW THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO MAINTAINING THE VALUE OF PREVENTION AND INTRODUCING THE VALUE OF INCLUSION. >> GO AHEAD. >> WE HAVE A POINT, TOO, THAT REALLY WORKS WITH ABOUT THE POLICY WORK IN GENERAL AND HAVING FOUND AN EFFECTIVE POLICY AND PART OF THE PROCESS IS EVALUATING IT AND FINE TUNING IT AND SEEING THE OUT COMES AND IS THAT WHAT IS EXPECTED TO HAPPEN. THAT KIND OF FOUNDATION OF RESPECT AS A VALUE. AS WAS NOTED AND IS OFTEN TRUE ON THESE THE CHAT DISCUSSIONS ARE RICH, THERE IS A LOT OF RESOURCES BEING MENTIONED, A LOT OF EXCELLENT POINTS ARE BEING MADE. SO THAT THOSE ARE JUST TO REITERATE THAT THE RECORDINGS OF THIS AND THE CHAT AND THE HANDOUTS ARE AVAILABLE AFTER THIS CALL. IF NOTHING ELSE TO SAY ABOUT THE SCENARIOS, OR PROBABLY A LOT, BUT WE WANT TO PICK UP ON THE QUESTIONS AND THE POINTS THAT HAVE COME UP WITH THE SPEAKERS. THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND WE'LL SEE HOW MANY OF THESE WE CAN GET TO. A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU REALLY FEEL MAYBE IN SOMETHING YOU HAVE SAID OR SEEN THAT WOULD BE EXAMPLES OF REALLY POSITIVE SEXUAL EDUCATIONAL MESSAGES, SEXUAL OR OTHERWISE. BACK TO SANDRA FOR THAT? >> SURE. I THINK THAT ROBERTA AND JULIE IN ARKANSAS HAVE DONE WORK AROUND THE PREVENTION OF ABUSE WITH PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND COMBATTING THE CULTURE OF COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW, REALLY COMBATTING THE PRISON OF PROTECTION THAT WE HAVE CREATED AROUND OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES BY EDUCATING CHILDREN WITH DISANTS ABOUT THEIR HEALTHY SEXUALITY AND HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS AND ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SEX IS, AND HOW TO CONSENT TO SEX AND WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE. REALLY LOOKING AT SORT OF THEIR CURRICULUM REALLY LOOKS AT JUST THIS, THE RIGHT TO HAVE RISK IN YOUR LIFE, THE DIGNITY OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE RISKS IN YOUR LIFE WITHOUT THAT THEN BECOMING THE FAULT THAT SOMETHING BAD HAS HAPPENED TO YOU. I WOULD LOOK AT PARTNERS FOR INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENTS, I THINK IT IS, PARTNERS FOR INCLUSION IN ARKANSAS, ROBERTA AND JULIE DOING GREAT WORK AROUND THAT ALREADY. >> ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT? >> GO AHEAD, KEITH. >> GO AHEAD, MEG, LADIES FIRST. >> I THINK A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF SEXUALLY EDUCATION IS ACTUALLY FOR PARENTS, TEACHERS AND PROVIDERS. WE'VE DONE JUST AS MUCH ACTUAL SEXUALITY EDUCATION WITH FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES AS WE HAVE WITH THE PEOPLE IN THEIR LIVES WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THEM BEING SEXUAL BEINGS. AND WE'VE HAD TO REALLY ADDRESS A LOT OF, A LOT OF VERY, VERY DEEP FEARS AROUND PEOPLE NOT BEING, AROUND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES NOT HAVING ANY CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH IT IS SAFE OR POSITIVE FOR THEM TO HAVE SEX. THAT IS A HUGE SIFT FOR PEOPLE. I THINK THE RIGHT TO TAKE RISKS IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ARE WORKING AGAINST. PART OF ABLEISM IS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES OR TEENS IN DISABILITIES IN ROLES THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY ASSOCIATE WITH CHILDRENS WITHOUT DISABILITIES. SO REALLY NOT JUST IS PROVIDING KNOWLEDGE ABOUT SEX AND CONSENT ANT PEOPLE'S BODIES AND WHAT THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY ENJOY OR DON'T, WE HAVE DONE PLENTY OF THAT, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHOSE DISCOMFORT COMES FROM A REALLY GOOD PLACE AND COMES FROM REALLY CARING AND LOVING IN SOME CASES THE FOLKS THEY ARE SUPPORTING. BUT MAY REALLY KEEP THEM IN A ROLE OF A NONSEXUAL BEING WHEN THEY ARE AN ADULT. >> RIGHT. TO BE CLEAR ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT IN THIS PREVENTION WORK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW TRAGIC IT IS ABOUT SOMEBODY USING CHILDREN FOR SEXUAL ASSAULTS AND ADD THE DISABILITY, IT IS INSTANTLY DISMISSED. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AND I LIKE TO RELY ON PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH WE DO THE WORK, WE DON'T LEAVE OURSELVES AT HOME. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AND SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES ARE REALIZING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. IF YOU ARE SERVING A DIVERSE COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE CHANGES ON THE LARGER SCENE IS THE ISSUE WHERE THE BOY SCOUTS OPENED IT UP BECAUSE OF THE PUSHBACK NOT ALLOWING THE CHILDREN IDENTIFIED DIFFERENTLY THROUGH GENDER AND SEXUALITY AND WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT PLACE FOR YOUTH WITH DISABILITIES AND MAKE THE POINT WITH THE PARENTS AND TEACHERS AND PROVIDERS. IN MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, YOU CANNOT CONCEPTUALIZE YOURSELF IN A POSITION THAT THE PERSON WITH THE DISABILITIES FIND THEMSELVES IN. IF YOU CAN'T CONCEPTUALIZE ABOUT IT, IT IS EASY TO FALL OFF THE RADAR. THE ADVANCED PRACTICES, OKAY, SELF-ASSESSMENT AND SELF-EVALUATION, IF YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING A PERFECT JOB AND YOU ARE NOT. >> THANK YOU, JOAN, I HAVE TO CHECK IN WITH YOU, WE ARE NEAR TO THE END OF THE TIME. DO YOU HAVE A ONE ACTION AND TAKE AWAY AND WHICH ONE? >> TIME FOR JUST ONE. DOING ONE QUICK ACTION AND LOOKING FOR ONE ACTION AND FORWARD THE SLIDES. WHAT IS ONE ACTION YOU CAN SUGGEST FOR OTHERS THAT WANT TO TAKE ACTION AROUND CHILD ABUSE WITH CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. MEG? >> OH, GOSH. ONE ACTION. >> FOR ALL THE LISTENERS, WHILE MEG IS GIVING HER TIME HERE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU HAVE LISTENED TO THIS, WHAT IS ONE ACTION OR TAKE AWAY, A RESOURCE, IDEA, AND WHAT'S AN ACTION THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE, THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS MOST IMPORTANT OR A PLACE TO START? >> I THINK ONE ACTION THAT I HAVE TAKEN A LOT WHICH IS REALLY SORT OF FOUNDATIONAL TO ABUSE PREVENTION IS WHEN I INTERACT WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT HAS A DISABILITY I OFTEN ASK IF I'M TREATING HIM DIFFERENTLY AND IF SO WHY AND HOW CAN I CHANGE THAT. >> THAT IS FABULOUS. KEITH, DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT ON THAT? >> OKAY. ONE ACTION IS TO OPEN IT UP TO COMMUNITIES AND INVITE THE COMMUNITY IN OPPOSED TO SPEAKING TO THE COMMUNITY. ASK THE COMMUNITY WHAT DO THEY THINK IS MISSING, WHERE ARE THE GAPS. THAT IS ONE ACTION THAT WE HAVE OFTEN TAKEN WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE FRYING TO EXPLORE OR BROADEN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES. PEOPLE MAY TRADITIONALLY HAVE SKIPPED IT. BRING THE COMMUNITY IN. INVITE THE COMMUNITY AND AS WELL AS INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE POLICY ADD PROGRAM DESIGN AND INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE SUPPORT. THAT WOULD BE THE ACTION I WOULD PRESENT. >> THAT IS GREAT. THANK YOU, KEITH. SANDRA, ONE ACTION? >> ONE MINUTE, ONE ACTION, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF ACTIONS THAT ROOMING IN MY HEAD. I'M GOING TO PIGGY BACK ON WHAT KEITH SAID AND ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO BRING PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES INTO THEIR PROGRAMMING SO THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY BUILDING LEADERSHIP AMONG PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY AND SO IT IS, SO THAT YOUR SEXUAL VIOLENCE PROGRAM INCLUDES PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND THE WAY TO DO THAT, ONE OF THE FIRST IMPORTANT STEPS IS ENSURE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE PROGRAMMING TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. >> GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND OUR NEXT ONE, JOAN, BACK TO YOU. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR MORE ATTENTION TO SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS IN THE CHATS, BUT JOAN, DO YOU WANT TO MENTION THE SPEAKER CONTACT HERE. >> YOU CAN ACCESS THE SLIDES AND AVAILABLE ONLINE THROUGH PREVENTCONNECT. HERE IS THE SPEAKER CONTACT INFORMATION. EACH OF THEM HAVE WONDERFUL WEBSITES AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORTH YOUR TIME LOOKING INTO. >> WE ARE AT THE END OF THE TIME, THE FINAL ENDING CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IS COMING UP MARCH 13TH, TELLING YOUR STORIES AND LEARNING AS WE BUILD A MOVEMENT AND YOU HAVE CERTAINLY GIVEN US A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF HEART AND A LOT OF EXAMPLES ON HOW TO DO THAT. >> I JUST WANT TO GIVE OUT A HUGE THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTERS. IT IS A WEALTH OF INFORMATION. THIS IS A TOPIC WE OFTEN DON'T TALK ABOUT. THANK YOU TO THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THE CHAT IS AMAZING. I WANT TO READ THROUGH THEM AND ALL WILL BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. THANK YOU TO THE MS. FOUNDATION AND PREVENTCONNECT FOR THE TECHNOLOGY AND SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR MAKING THIS SUCH AN AMAZING WEBINAR TODAY. >> THANK YOU. YOU ARE GOING TO GET AN EVALUATION AND THANK YOU TO THE SPEAKERS AND PARTICIPANTS, THANK YOU. GOOD-BYE.